Learn the local history at the Shinagawa Museum and you’ll start discovering all sorts of things about the area just by walking around; you might find yourself stumbling upon shell gathering grounds from the Edo Period or the final resting place of Takuan Osho. The author says he named her "SIMPLY" because she is a child of Gohan. -- .10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. (The kanji (Chinese character) for Chichi means both milk and breasts. Pan flute and panties (homage to Piccolo and Bulma) also seems like a stretch. As for Krillin's name, the author's comment must be added because he has never said that Krillin's name came from "kuri" and "shaolin". Why do you revert my edits although I simply quoted from the author's comments? But it actually is a Japanese word and does not mean cabbage. I have to say this once again. The characters in Goku's name can be read as "understanding the sky", so Goten's name is read as "understanding the heavens", the point being that Goten's name is on a bigger scale than Goku's. I also quoted the official comment by the author. Do you think everything you say and you do is right? As for Mr. Popo, once again I do not understand on what ground you deny my edit AT ALL although I simply quoted the comment by the author, Akira Toriyama. At the time, you’d find rows of inns and eateries that welcomed travelers (with some even providing the company of women); the town was indeed full of life. I have no idea at all how the first writer got the idea about Pan of Greek mythology or the Pan Flute. As you said, ご〜 go-is an honorific prefix, which makes ご飯 gohan the politer alternative used in more polite speech. Pan means bread in some languages, so that's from Gohan's side of the family. They both mean the same thing, which is (cooked) rice and/or meal. 20:28, September 3, 2010 (UTC), Evidence: Pan is the name of a Greek God, and Greek mythology is very prominent. What does the name Goten mean? Not only do you actually have no idea what most people think (which would be impossible in this case), but even if most people agreed it wouldn't matter, since neither your opinion nor the collective opinions of many people are grounds for encyclopedic material. Goku is most popular as being the name for the main character of the series Dragon Ball Z, created by Akira Toriyama. 宮殿, パレス, 館, 殿堂, 殿. court noun. I don't want to say but talking with you is really irritating because the argument is not logical at all. If you're a fan of DBZ and are referring to the name "Goten", it means "palace" (Japanese), as in like a castle. You say you are right although you have no official information sources. Directory: Characters → Earthling → Earthlings with Saiyan blood Directory: Characters → Dragon Team Son Goten (孫そん悟ご天てん, Son Goten) is the youngest son of Goku and his wife Chi-Chi, making him a Saiyan and Earthling hybrid. As such, the landscape of Gotenyama, which was highly renowned for its spectacular beauty and as a destination for leisure, changed completely. In the case of Pan, the moderator should make a judgement based on the evidence provided, and not just on people's opinions. It is only a mere guess by the editor. You have to add author's comments and the fact that the theory about "kuri" and "shaolin" is made up by some fans and that the author has never said so.--126.96.36.199 02:43, October 9, 2010 (UTC). And stop twisting around quotes, you did the same thing with Toriyama's quick comment about Krillin's name. Saiya-jin is simply the just the Japanese way of saying "A person of Saiya", like I would be a "America-jin" or American (Saiya is a corruption of the japanese word for vegetabe "yasai").  Candy has absolytely nothing to do with it. Goten is Gohan's younger brother and Trunks' best friend. But this is not true either. But it is not exact. You cannot find such a word in any Japanese dictionaries. That’s why it’s said that the name Gotenyama likely originates from the concept of the mountain (or “yama” in Japanese) upon which the shogun’s Shinagawa Goten sits. So, his name "ベジータ" is not the first six letters of vegetable, but is short for vegetable. Excuse me but don't you think your argument is a little bit self-righteous? That's why I changed the statement on Shu into "Part of 'shumai'" from "Short for 'shumai'". It is thought to have been brought to the port town of Shinagawa via ocean transportation. Origin and Meaning of Goten User Submitted Origins. I don't know why the first writer said such a thing. In actuality, there is no town by the name of Gotenyama in present-day Shinagawa Ward. Akira Toriyama named her Chichi, meaning milk, because his father is the Ox king. A British Embassy was built in 1862 but was set ablaze by anti-foreigner factions, which resulted in the setback of plans to turn Gotenyama into an area where diplomatic offices of foreign countries were to be constructed. Similarly, Goten's name means "sky," and one might think Gohan's name follows this air-themed trend. It may be not well-known in the West, but in Japan and China, even small child knows about the cloud in the Journey to the West. Origin and Meaning of Goten User Submitted Origins. However, there is also the Pan Flute, whch might hail from piccolo's name heritage. I actually do not understand why I need your permission to remove that silly information but I would really like you to understand my statements.--大空翼 12:14, September 2, 2010 (UTC), DO you mean my edits on Vegeta, Pan, Krillin, the Flying Nimbus and Mr. Popo are OK too? Therefore this should be listed first, since it has apparently been stated by Toriyama. It is no slang but actually a general term. The author says so  . It is not a triple pun. 80% African Dutch (Afrikaans) 10% German. You told me two lies, I'm afraid. Nappa is something like this. Since rice is an essential part of Japanese cuisine, the two meanings very much overlap. But it is not true either. And you removed author's comment although it is well-sourced just because you don't like it. Tao has nothing to do with apple. An alien race from Planet Vegeta, that are identical to humans in almost every way, except they have a tail, that if they look at a full moon with a tail, they transform into King Kong sized WereMonkeys, or Oozaru's, which can fire energy blasts from thier mouth usually, and rarely from other various parts of their body. 3 Kami’s Kanji This is one of the most interesting pieces of Kanji in the series, not because of what it means (it simply means “God” and Kami’s name in Japanese … Edo definition, a member of an Indigenous people of western Africa, in the Benin region of southern Nigeria. You haven't told me what is wrong about my edits.--大空翼 17:07, September 3, 2010 (UTC), I'm the one who made the original Pan edit. He is the second son of Bardock, with Raditz being the first, and Fasha is speculated to be his mother. First, you said you had warned me several times before you blocked me. No such a Japanese word exist. Akira Toriyama says he named him Tao Paipai (桃白白) because he wanted his name to sound cute although he was scary. His name means "Air" in Japanese (or at least the "ku" does; "go" is just a prefix), while his original name, Kakarot, much like all the Saiya-jins' as not to stray from the style, is a slightly messed up "carrot". There is no reason to revert my edit. Fully name "GOTEN" not just "ten" means court/palace!.. It has been mentioned, but not verified with a source. *Owned by the Shinagawa Historical Museum. But, as the end of the Edo Period drew near, Gotenyama and Yatsuyama were dismantled and sediment was readied for reclamation in an effort to build a fort called Shinagawa Odaiba, in order to stop the arrival of American delegate Mathew Perry. It is not worth mentioning here but the authors comment is. I would like you to accept my statement about Pan, at least. -- 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. As for Goten, it says Ten is Chinese for "sky" but also means heaven/afterlife in Japanese. -- .10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. Certainly though, Pan (bread) should be listed first on both the name origin's page and on Pan's page. I understand the policy of reverting entire edits even if they are slightly incorrect, but that begs the question of how the questionable information made it onto the page in the first place. More meanings for 御殿 (Goten) palace noun. It can also be attached to the name of occupations and titles. Given the great view from the compound, it is thought that the castle also functioned as a defense base. 16:31, September 3, 2010 (UTC), Doesn't matter; need consensus. So after browsing through this thread (mostly for entertainment.. internet fighting lol), I'm confused as to why Pan's name origin has not been updated. "Mai" states "Part of 'shumai'". , ( I think I named him so because it sounds nice. Shinagawa Goten was the shogun’s resting place when he’d go hunting with his falcons and was located at the entrance in and out of Edo. But this is not correct because the Japanese language do not use Roman alphabets and his name is written as "ベジータ" in Japanese. As for Goten, I only changed "Chinese" into "Japanese" because "Ten" is the Japanese pronunciation without doubt. In Japanese, "~ san （～さん）" is a title of respect added to a name. -- 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. This is one of the most interesting pieces of Kanji in the series, not because of what it means (it simply means “God” and Kami’s name in Japanese is already just literally “God,”) but because of Dende. So your blocking me does not make any sense at all. I am back. Another word for Opposite of Meaning of Rhymes with Sentences with … Could be bs but better than nothing. Community content is available under CC-BY-SA unless otherwise noted. It is you who ignored my statements. As such, his name is the Japanese version of Sun Wukong, and can also mean cloud in reference to the character's method of travel. I named him Goten because Ten(天) in Goten means sky but even bigger than Ku. I have to say it is really tedious to talk with you, too. The sourced author's comment should be kept and the groundless information should be removed.--Lupinthe3rd 19:41, October 18, 2010 (UTC), Are you guys sure Trunks and Future Trunks should be mentioned separately when it's exactly the same name? My mistake. You said, "Therefore this should be listed first, since it has apparently been stated by Toriyama." Find out below. Why Vietnamese, although no other pun is from Vietnamese? He didn’t just go for the falconry; he’d also hold events like tea parties. I don't want you to say I ignored your statement because of those edits. Information and translations of goton in the most comprehensive dictionary definitions resource on … I heard that "Goku" means something like "eats a lot" in Japanese, but don't quote me on that. I quoted the official comment by the author. What does goton mean? The large Buddhist temple, boasting a surface area of over 150,000 square meters, burned to the ground in a fire in 1694 and was rebuilt by Keishoin. Maslego 16:25, September 2, 2010 (UTC), I have no idea why you are getting so worked up over a piece of trivia on one web site. Do not even try to block me. Your argument has never been logical, I have to say. Knowing this town more not only makes a mere stroll or walk about the area more enjoyable, it makes your day-to-day life in Shinagawa more enjoyable as well. But actually you gave me only one warning. He says the edit "should have been reverted, according to talk page", but what does he mean by "according to talk page"? What right do you have to judge what is right and what is wrong? For accuracy's sake, Pan bread (the official origin) should be listed first, with language stating that Pan may also refer to the other meanings, making it clear that this has not been confirmed by official material. Um, actually, you mixed up the info... Goku IS Akira Toriyama's remade Monkey King, from an old Chinese legend. It can also be attached to the name of occupations and titles. "Ten is Chinese for "sky" but also means heaven/afterlife in Japanese" <- So this is not true. I really do not understand why you do not believe the author...--大空翼 15:34, September 3, 2010 (UTC), Then what do you mean? Ten is not Chinese althogh it is from Chinese. "Consensus" you say doesn't mean consensus. gotten definition: 1. past participle of get: 2. past participle of get: 3. past participle of get: . What do you say about Vegeta, Pan, Krillin, the Flying Nimbus, and Mr. Popo? That sounds really silly to me and the author says her name comes only from bread. In the area from Kita Shinagawa Station on the Keikyu Main Line to Aomono-Yokocho Station of present-day Shinagawa Ward, there was used to be something called Shinagawa-shuku (Shinagawa Post Station), which was the first of the fifty-three stations of the Tokaido. I haven't changed "Pan" and "Krillin" yet although I really want to change it. Please stop! Son Goku is the main character in the dragonball series. It should be like "Ten means "sky", "heaven", "afterlife" in Japanese". What are you gonna say more? I don't find my edits wrong at all while your edits are to selfish. Son is the title inherited from his adoptive grandfather, Grandpa Gohan, or just Son Gohan. Tokugawa Iemitsu, the third shogun of the Tokugawa dynasty, was someone who particularly visited the castle on a frequent basis. Ku(空) in Goku means Sky.) -- 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. What does it mean, and what language is it in? But Gohan is not treated any differently for this name by his father. 昼飯 hirumeshi 昼ご飯 … He is the second and last child of Son Goku, and his wife, Chi-Chi, making him a half Saiyan and Human hybrid. This is a big tokoname-yaki jar from the first half of the 15th century discovered in Gotenyama. "I think most people would agree," you say. Even if Akira didn't intend it that doesn't make the other meanings any less true. On what ground do you say so? Goten was created in the DBZ series to replace Goku as Akira Toriyama wanted to retire Goku from the series, allowing Gohan to take command. English words for 語 include word and language. The former version simply listed the puns. Definition of goton in the Definitions.net dictionary. Should probably be verified by a mod literate in Japanese to give it some context... but google translate mentions bread. Tell me! ), "牛魔王の娘なので、牛に関係したもので女の子っぽい名前、ということで「乳」から。", (Since she is a daughter of the Ox King, I wanted to give her a girlish name related to cows or oxes. Son Goten (孫悟天) is a main character in the Dragon Ball manga, and in the animes Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball GT. So it's not entirely correct to say "All full-blooded Saiyans' names are puns on various vegetable names." Relevance. If you want to do a rewrite without adding bias, that would be fine. Similarly, Goten's name means "sky," and one might think Gohan's name follows this air-themed trend. Ten is the Japanese pronunciation for the Chinese character 天 and it means "sky" and "heaven" both in Chinese and Japanese. Meaning of goton. Japanese. But correct that one error, and it becomes a less biased and more streamlined version. 10xKamahameha removed the author's comment which is sourced. Janemba4eva (talk) 16:03, October 16, 2012 (UTC), Pumpkins are fruits, not vegetables. The source would be good. The prefix grandpa is used to avoid confusion with Goku's first son, Gohan. Find more words! https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Talk:Origins_of_character_names?oldid=1419128. In Japanese, literally meaning "candy cloud", kinto meaning "candy" and noun meaning "cloud"." The ambiguous language has been retained until the source can be verified by someone who can read Japanese. My view is not poorly conceived, I simply failed to fact check the supposed Toriyama quote. If you are unsure of what counts as encyclopedic, feel free to run it by other users first. I do not understand at all why you do not believe the authors comment and why you can make such a interpretation. The article says that Mercenary Tao was named after the Vietnamese word for apple. From what I understand, the main reason was a pun on the Japanese word for bread (not the Spanish word; Dragonball Z was written in Japanese). )), I don't understand why you want to revert my edits although they are sourced. gotten meaning: 1. past participle of get: 2. past participle of get: 3. past participle of get: . As such, his name is the Japanese version of Sun Wukong, and can also mean cloud in reference to the character's method of travel. I have to note you that Chichi is no slang term. Everything name meaning, origin, pronunciation, numerology, popularity and more information about Goten at NAMEANING.NET The former version listed the puns as if they were official. In truth, both the current article and your own view are poorly conceived. After entering the era of Tokugawa Yoshimune, both Asukayama in Kita Ward and Gotenyama experienced afforestation, and Gotenyama became a place where people went to view the cherry blossoms and to enjoy shell gathering; this made the area popular as a destination for leisure amongst the commoners of Edo, the liveliness of which is portrayed by many ukiyoe artists, including Utagawa Hiroshige and Katsushika Hokusai. Pan of Greek mythology is a huge stretch, because Videl's family is "Satan" themed, not "religion" themed. He is referred to as Kakarot (or Kakarrot) by his rival, Vegeta. 188.8.131.52 02:43, March 16, 2013 (UTC), Does anyone have a guess on what their names derive from?Malcasablanca (talk) 11:30, December 21, 2015 (UTC). Why do you act as if you knew what is right and wrong although you don't? It can be used with both male and female names, and with either surnames or given names . davidbrookesuk. Chichi means both milk and breasts because milk comes out from breasts. Do you say you cannot trust the author? This is exactly what you need to get away from to remove the bias from your edit. The jump from rice to bread seems more direct and logical than the jump from Satan to Pan, Greek god of nature. It says Chichi is Japanese for "milk" and "my father". *Disclosure: Some of the links above are affiliate links, meaning, at no additional cost to you, Fandom will earn a commission if you click through and make a purchase. You say I am wrong althogh I have official information sources. 04:32, October 16, 2012 (UTC), I was operating under the impression that the Toriyama quote had been sourced earlier in this thread, which looking back is incorrect. While the name of the ship is recited as "Goten-gō" in Japanese, it should be rendered as "Goten" in English; as the suffix, 号 (gō), simply denotes the object as a ship. Did I ignore you? As for Goten, I do not understand why you say it was incorrect. The spelling "Vegeta" was made by the translater, not by the author, since the Japanese language do not have the sound of "v". Learn more. Against the backdrop of its prosperity as a port down during the Muromachi Era, Shinagawa was originally a destination with many temples. A submission from Argentina says the name Gohan means "Rice" and is of Japanese origin. Favorite Answer. Goten was created in the DBZ series to replace Goku as Akira Toriyama wanted to retire Goku from the series, allowing Gohan to take command. He is the second son of Bardock, with Raditz being the first, and Fasha is speculated to be his mother. Find more Japanese words at wordhippo.com! That is just how it is. Contents 1 Appearances Why do you keep reverting although I have added sources. I cannot accept his arbitrary decision. (Well, I named her Pan (bread) simply because she is a child of Gohan (rice)). This led to various episodes which last into the modern era as well. At the permanent exhibitions for the Omori Shell Mound and Shinagawa-shuku, you’ll find the history of Shinagawa, from ancient to modern, explained in easy-to-understand terms. Nagoya City in Aichi Prefecture is one of the largest cities in Japan, and one of the biggest metropolises in the Tokai region in central Japan. Against the backdrop of its prosperity as a port down during the Muromachi Era, Shinagawa … What is wrong here? There are too many mere guesses and misunderstandings mentioned here. The answer to that will be apparent once you unravel and take a look at the long history of Shinagawa. The uncertainty should be expressed or else it's just inaccurate. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Big Bang Mission!!! Adding the author's comment should not be regarded against "consensus" or anything.--184.108.40.206 00:17, September 7, 2010 (UTC). At the Shinagawa Historical Museum, you’ll be able to learn about the history of Shinagawa. This cannot be accepted.--Lupinthe3rd 19:41, October 18, 2010 (UTC), Well, Pan is a name of greek mythology, which hails from Videl's side of the family. By the way, as I explicitly stated in an earlier conversation, a consensus is only needed to make a disputed change, not to leave the pages as is. In Japanese, "~ san （～さん）" is a title of respect added to a name. It really could have. 03:54, October 16, 2012 (UTC). I want you to stop reverting my edits that are sourced and stop trying to keep mere guesses without sources.--大空翼 03:03, August 31, 2010 (UTC). As it is now, it makes it seem like all meanings are official, when any or all of them could be coincidence. Information and translations of goton in the most comprehensive dictionary definitions resource on … 05:47, September 5, 2010 (UTC), If we just put everyone's ideas about everything, the pages would all be filled with nonsense. While he does drop the Kanji before the Saiyans arrive, he reps Piccolo’s colors all the way through the end of the Cell Games. You didn't say my edits on Nappa, Chichi, Korin, Tao, Pui Pui and Pilaf were wrong. Also see the lists of names of Japanese, African Dutch (Afrikaans), or German origins. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Dark Demon Realm Mission! Her name is a pun on bread. 4 Answers. However, although I don't know why, it is reverted. That having been said, you're right in saying that the current version could use a revision. Nagoya City in Aichi Prefecture is one of the largest cities in Japan, and one of the biggest metropolises in the Tokai region in central Japan. It means "Your permission". What do you think is wrong? Find out below. It says "possibly" and it is actually not correct. There are also Japanese gardens meticulously attended to, as well as shoin rooms which can be used for tea gatherings and the like, making for a fitting place to experience the beauty of Japanese culture. There's no Japanese word "kinto" meaning candy. These are more likely coincidences. Flourishing as a port town and loved as a destination for leisure, the Shinagawa and Gotenyama area evolved as a cultural city and was the setting for historical events due to the favorable environment there. In 1639, the Tokai-ji Temple was constructed by Iemitsu for Takuan Osho at the southern base of Gotenyama. What does Goten mean? However, I do think some type of judgement call should play a role. Second, I did not remove existing content. Why is it wrong although Mai is "Part of 'shumai'"? After all, except for the harbor and post town, the area was still quite rustic in those days. Search for more names by meaning. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Universe Mission!! I believe every single piece of information I added should be kept because they are all sourced and those un sourced mere guesses should be removed.--大空翼 06:11, August 30, 2010 (UTC).